violence

Comment on my posts on the recent demonstrations in London

~ florries ~ 1 Comment

I have made these posts below to provide a perspective on this story which is difficult to find in the mass media reports – eyewitness statements claims that the police provoked much of the violence themselves. I find that the video material I have seen from the scene very much tells the same story.

I want to add that I do not like or condone any kind of violence, if its not used as a last resort in a self-defence situation (even as a last resort, the use of violence can be discussed, but that is a whole other issue). I do think that some of the students who were at Parliament Square in London on the 10th of December 2010 really experienced that they did not have any other way out than to use violence. Still, most of them didn’t use violence, not even after being beaten by the police. Many say that the majority of violent acts against humans came from the police, and that the violent acts from students was mainly aimed at trashing government property (some windows, a statue, the car of Prince Charles…).

All in all, I must say that I do understand that young people cannot control themselves after standing in the cold for up to 8 hours without food, water or access to toilettes – being told, they still cannot get out…

Judge for yourselves.

 

 

Blogs with eye witness statements from Parliament Square 10.12.2010

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Blogs with eye witness statements from Parliament Square 10.12.2010

http://www.brutalpoliceblog.com/

http://www.brutalcops.net/


Here a video which according to its makers is showing the police man who allegedly got “dragged down” from his horse. In this video it seems he fell under there by himself…


Here some good ideas on how it could have been done: http://langtrygirl.blogspot.com/2010/12/demonstrations.html

Witness statement of more than excessive violence by British police

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“raindance77” quoted in a timeline of the events made by the Guardian (you’ll find it quite far down under this link):

“Violent thugs? I am a 21-year-old literature student and I am a protester. I danced to music on Parliament Square as people spray painted NO on the grass, I shouted ‘tory **** tory ****’ with pride, I got pushed to the police front line and charged by horses on two occasions (please see footage of charges on 24th and 9th). I am not ashamed.

If you want to look at thugs then look to to the police.

I am a girl of five foot two, I was pushed several times in the face, dragged on the floor and laughed at by police when I told them I had asthma. This is why people get angry, because people were being trapped and wanted to get out.

All afternoon we were told people were able to leave from various places but this was just not true.

I asked a policeman were I could go to the toilet; he pointed at the floor by his feet.

Another shouted: “Move, bitch, or I’ll squash you with my horse.”

Eventually, when the protests had died down and people were desperate to go home, a group of around 1,000 protesters were finally escorted to Westminster Bridge to exit; however this was a trick. What then happened was we were held on the bridge for hours in the freezing cold. The crowd remained calm, but after hours of freezing people began to chant “let us out” and then the crowd pushed forwards. Being small I was carried by the crowd and ended up by the police line. I was tired and cold and hadn’t eaten for 12 hours or had any water.

I screamed at the police not to hurt me because I was being pushed but they still went for my face, almost pulling me to the floor. A man to my right put his arms over my face, screaming, “Leave her alone, she’s a girl, she’s not harming you,” but the police began to hit him several times on the head.

When we were finally let off the bridge it was one at a time through huge crowds of jeering officers. We were told we were being photographed in case we had damaged royal car. But how this could have happened whilst we were kettled in parliament i don’t know.

What I will say is that by this stage the anarchists had fought their way out, and just lots of women and children were left to freeze.”